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« on: February 01, 2008, 10:27:22 AM »

From today O2 have upgraded their tariffs for UK iPhone users to offer 3 times the number of talk time minutes than previously at launch.

A criticism at the launch of the iPhone in the UK was not only the cost of the unsubsidised device but also the paltry amount of talk time minutes provided within the contract package (200 minutes for 35 per month) that lead to widespread unlocking to other networks and less than predicted sales following an initial peak at launch.

O2 expect that their upgraded contracts (600 minutes for 35 or 3000 minutes for 75) will improve uptake of UK iPhones while reducing unlocking. Certainly the new contract tariffs are far more attractive than before. Existing users will be upgraded also from today but not backdated.

More info:
http://shop.o2.co.uk/iPhone
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 01:44:51 PM »

Well it's good news but still a very expensive piece kit with a lot of older technology and too many restictions? What no MMS, Bluetooth restrictions. I won't go on lol!!
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 09:51:21 PM »

The reason I won't get an iPhone is purely it uses EDGE and not 3G.

I am quite happy to carry an iPod in one pocket and a phone in the other.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 12:36:54 PM »

As an iPhone user myself I tend to agree that there are some technical limitations in the device but I should also say that to date and for my everyday purposes it is the best mobile phone that I have owned and trust me, I've owned more than a few! It's certainly reduced technical support issues in "chez brown-martin" Smiley

Whilst not an Apple apologist I think some balance is due given that we are yet to see anything that has got everything right and I doubt that given these are personal devices we ever will as we each have different "hot buttons".

The regular firmware updates delivered via iTunes means that many of the earlier software limitations, e.g. multi-person SMS, bcc in email, etc have been fixed whilst many others are promised.

I'm not particularly bothered by lack of MMS as I think I only ever used this feature a few times in the past and so many devices don't support it correctly that it was rarely worth it. The telco's pinned their hopes on the success of MMS because of the potential revenue (suggestions of a market value of $100B p.a. have been bandied about) it would generate monetized in a similar manner to SMS but in the world of the mobile web I can't see the point of MMS.

Bluetooth limitations to prevent sideloading etc are becoming more prevalent across the mobile sector to prevent piracy of content that all of the telco's are now getting into now that voice call revenue is drying up. Nokia put many telco's nose out of joint when they introduced their own music download portal as telco's felt that this was their turf rather than the handset manufacturer. Apple have succeeded better in this regard with an already massive installed base of iTunes users and podcasters. But it's true that currently the iPhone's Bluetooth supports a headset and nothing else as other services are currently disabled, who knows when Apple may decide to enable them. With WiFi, built-in email and integration with my MacBook I haven't found this to be such a limitation.

The camera is fine for general pics but could definitely do with a flash for low light situations and it would be nice to have some video. Having said that if I want 5MP+ pics and high quality video I'll use a dedicated device, I've yet to see any phone device that comes close to the image quality of my Sony W55 camera  that cost less than 95.

In my opinion the EDGE vs 3G/HSDPA argument has been played out. I'm regularly getting over 200 kbps which whilst isn't a patch on 3G (where available) is adequate for picking up my email (as good as any Blackberry) and for ad-hoc surfing on a mobile browser that has rewritten the rules. Based in London I'm fortunate that I'm usually in range of WiFi whether from an access point or the Cloud that comes with the iPhone package.

Would I say no to an iPhone with HSDPA and all the other limitations fixed?

Of course not, so long as I can continue to use the device all day on a single charge and that it doesn't become as thick as a brick to contain a battery that allows it to achieve this. 3G/HSDPA sucks the battery which is why the majority of devices that have this functionality are heavy. You even get utility software for some HSDPA devices, e.g. TyTN, that forces them into EDGE/GPRS just to save battery! I'd also want HSDPA support that works across the various frequencies so that I can have high speed internet connectivity wherever I am in the world. The thinnest HSDPA phone I can think of (ignoring the user interface for a moment) is the Motorola Razr yet it comes in two HSDPA flavours; one for the US market operating in the 850/1900Mhz band and one for the European market that operates in the 2.1Ghz band, i.e. they haven't managed to fit all the bands into one thin device.

In summary I'd say that whilst certainly not perfect, this first hardware iteration (the firmware is continuously updating) of the iPhone is a practical entry point for Apple rather than a bullet point, box ticking exercise in creating a mobile device.


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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 04:05:47 PM »

Hi Graham

Generally I am an Apple fan but I definitely think that the Iphone was produced with the US market rather European market in mind and whilst I agree it comes down to personal preference with regards to mobile devices. I think the Iphone is incredibly expensive for the limitations. Essentially you get a devices which is aesthetically well designed, with some nice touches usability (like the screen control and tilting etc..)

Also Apple by locking out developers of 3rd party apps have also locked out Accessbility developers, which means some of the adaptative tools we've seen for PDAs will not been seen on the Iphone, which is a shame.

Its the effect of design and marketing I find most interesting here. Apple really know how to do that. It'll be interesting to see how that impacts on other manufacturers and what we see next! I've been reading LG have got some interesting stuff planned!
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 04:40:56 PM »

Hi Graham

Generally I am an Apple fan but I definitely think that the Iphone was produced with the US market rather European market in mind and whilst I agree it comes down to personal preference with regards to mobile devices. I think the Iphone is incredibly expensive for the limitations. Essentially you get a devices which is aesthetically well designed, with some nice touches usability (like the screen control and tilting etc..)


Agreed!

Also Apple by locking out developers of 3rd party apps have also locked out Accessbility developers, which means some of the adaptative tools we've seen for PDAs will not been seen on the Iphone, which is a shame.


There's been some pretty cool stuff out for a while for iPhones (and iPod Touch) that have been "jail broken". Everything from Nintendo emulators to drawing packages, voice recorders, ebook readers, and even an Apache Webserver running on a BSD Unix kernal with MySQL database - your iPhone as webserver  Grin

However, this is all under the radar stuff. The iPhone SDK kit will be out soon and in the meantime there's Apple guide to developing iPhone savvy web-apps - http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/ and if you just can't wait there's an unofficial guide to writing iPhone apps here:
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/09/19/the-unofficial-iphone-sdk-guide-to-writing-native-iphone-applications/

Its the effect of design and marketing I find most interesting here. Apple really know how to do that. It'll be interesting to see how that impacts on other manufacturers and what we see next! I've been reading LG have got some interesting stuff planned!


Agreed, if nothing else it's been disruptive and that can only be a good thing!

Cheers

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 01:28:21 PM »

Having HSDPA in a small device and a good battery life is soon to be available from Sony Ericsson with the new W890i so I hope that this means the future will bring a slim iPhone with this function.  Grin
Some of the specs see here for more details.
Networks = UMTS 2100, HSDPA, GSM 900, GSM 850, GSM 1900, GSM 1800 and EDGE
Performance figures for the battery look reasonable.
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